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Re: NDA Lifted

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Voragath wrote:
jarsh92 wrote:Is the change to the earth pet for just the newest earth pet spell, or will it affect all the previous earth pets?
Just the new one. It is tied to Earth Elemental Strike IX which is cast only by the new pet.

Was anyone able to test if it stacks with other class spells or bard songs to increase the mitigation or total amount absorbed?
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Re: NDA Lifted

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These are quite short parse-wise but they do give some feedback as to what a weave with or w/o Rain will look like. These were done in 4 parses combined, each around 120 to 150 seconds depending on how badly I was not watching the time.

Keep in mind I did not have the dummies attacking, which means Strike was doing no DMG at all. I had to add it to maintain our normal weave. I am also going to play around with the Rain setup to see if it can not be moved around, and it also does appear we will be able to fit a 5th nuke into a Rain weave line-up every other cast of the weave.

These are all rank 3 spells also. No Aura was used. T2 Raid 2hander (RoF) was equipped with Acorn of Spite and Shawl. RoF T2 Raid geared.

At around the 100 second mark in each of the 4 parses, I was not casting anymore spells and I let Garg pet go until the time limit was reached.

FIRE CORE:

Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Spear of Molten Steel: /GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 557s, 15558k @27932dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8730k @15702dps --- Piemastaj 6828k @12906dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 6827505 -- DPS: 12906 -- Scaled: 12258 -- DirDmg: 6827505 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 159 -- Hits: 159 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 42940 -- Max hit: 162722.

30 Garg-37 Salvo-33 Blistersteel-33 Molten Steel.

Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Rain of Scythes: /GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 573s, 16575k @28926dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8904k @15540dps --- Piemastaj 7670k @13896dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 7670357 -- DPS: 13896 -- Scaled: 13386 -- DirDmg: 7670357 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 237 -- Hits: 237 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 32364 -- Max hit: 161104.

33 Rain-29Garg-34 Salvo-33 Blistersteel.

FIRE CORE + TWINCAST:

Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Spear of Molten Steel: /GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 558s, 22479k @40285dps --- Piemastaj 13832k @26196dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8647k @15525dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 13831689 -- DPS: 26196 -- Scaled: 24788 -- DirDmg: 13831689 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 332 -- Hits: 332 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 41661 -- Max hit: 162452.

30 Garg-36 Salvo-33 Blistersteel- 33 Molten Steel.

Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Rain of Scythes: /GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 563s, 23609k @41934dps --- Piemastaj 14897k @27485dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8712k @15474dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 14896909 -- DPS: 27485 -- Scaled: 26460 -- DirDmg: 14896909 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 444 -- Hits: 444 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 33551 -- Max hit: 163591.

32 rain-28 Garg- 34 Salvo-32 Blistersteel.

ELEMENTAL UNION:


Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Spear of Molten Steel:/GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 543s, 15004k @27632dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8521k @15692dps --- Piemastaj 6483k @12565dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 6483444 -- DPS: 12565 -- Scaled: 11940 -- DirDmg: 6483444 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 163 -- Hits: 163 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 39775 -- Max hit: 154153.

28 Garg-36 Salvo-32 Blistersteel-32 Molten Steel.

Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Rain of Scythes: /GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 563s, 15989k @28400dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8518k @15130dps --- Piemastaj 7471k @13759dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 7470911 -- DPS: 13759 -- Scaled: 13270 -- DirDmg: 7470911 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 237 -- Hits: 237 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 31522 -- Max hit: 155501.

32 Rain-29 Garg-35 Salvo-32 Blistersteel.

ELEMENTAL UNION + TWINCAST:

Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Spear of Molten Steel:/GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 543s, 21040k @38748dps --- Piemastaj 12707k @24627dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8333k @15374dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 12707318 -- DPS: 24627 -- Scaled: 23402 -- DirDmg: 12707318 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 313 -- Hits: 313 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 40598 -- Max hit: 153822.

30 Garg- 36 Salvo- 32 Blistersteel- 32 Molten Steel.

Garg>Salvo of Many>Spear of Blistersteel>Rain of Scythes: /GU Combined: Test One Hundred Three in 562s, 23475k @41770dps --- Piemastaj 14947k @27629dps --- Piemastaj`s pet 8527k @15200dps. /tell Piemastaj Piemastaj -vs- Combined: Test One Hundred Three: -- DMG: 14947413 -- DPS: 27629 -- Scaled: 26597 -- DirDmg: 14947413 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 450 -- Hits: 450 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 33216 -- Max hit: 153553.

32 Rain- 29 Garg- 33 Salvo- 32 Blistersteel.

I was dumb and forgot Union and Fire Core DO NOT enhance Rains at all. So Rain is not enhanced by anything we can cast on ourself.

It appears Rains wins out regardless what gets used. They are only really viable on 1 target as when you include multiple targets it hinders the DMG they will do and it also will break mezzes and all of that fun stuff.

Just some food for thought for the time being.

THIS IS NOT: A gauge for our DPS totals, or anything of that sort.

THIS IS: Comparing 2 different weaves to maximize our potential.
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Re: NDA Lifted

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Hmm, I see that your Union + Twincast and your Fire Core + Twin cast are yielding similiar result with rains. That would lead me to believe if you switched to Union + twincast + Vapor Core it would be the best option. That would lose you some long term burn with fire core being unavaliable but if you just looking short term biggest bang for buck, I would think that would be it.

Also would save you the use of silent casting in your burns. Also first spire would be avaliable for use whenever if you used this approach as well.
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Re: NDA Lifted

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I haven't used Silent Casting on a burn since SoD. So for me that is not even in the discussion. However, your forgetting that Salvo of Many was doing no DMG and it is our best DMG spell with fire. So, that will factor into this as well. It is stupid hard to get a good parse using pets (hatelist gets removed) meaning it would take quite sometime for me to get solid data to see how Salvo is effected by Fire Core vs Union.

I did run a short parse of Fire Core on and Vapor Core on. now I did not have 100% crit chance (7th does not stack with Vapor Core, altho realistically it should). However Fire Core came out about 4.5k DPS higher.

/GU Test One Hundred Three in 176s, 2822k @16035dps --- Piemastaj 2822k @16035dps- Vapor Core.

/GU Test One Hundred Three in 174s, 3571k @20522dps --- Piemastaj 3571k @20522dps- Fire Core.

Both Casts: 15 Bolt of Molten Magma- 14 Blistersteel- 15 Molten Steel.
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Re: NDA Lifted

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That makes sence, especially since you can use first spire to get your crit mod and "of many" line will flux those numbers.

I don't use silent either but playing around in RoF I seemed to be angering things more than I normally do on raids. Also I personally don't think you have to use silent on your burn. That is when you are building the most aggro, so is it for everyone else in the guild. You can use it at anytime to keep yourself low on the list from the start. If it was insta cast it might be different for me.
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Re: NDA Lifted

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Voragath wrote:NOTE: Spell Casting Subtlety was intentionally not upgraded.
Was this just for us, or were the Wizards etc. similarly nerfed ?
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Re: NDA Lifted

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Forte wrote:
Voragath wrote:NOTE: Spell Casting Subtlety was intentionally not upgraded.
Was this just for us, or were the Wizards etc. similarly nerfed ?
For everyone. With the introduction of the aggrometer, Elidroth wanted to make it so Casting was not so easy so to speak. Now we have a way to visualize where we are on the meter so it is our job to stay off of it.
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Re: NDA Lifted

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I did not have/test raid focuses in beta, but with just VoA raid focuses, I found that Rain of Scythes Rk. II (with 0 activated AA running, but RoF malo Rk. II on test dummy) did more DPS than Spear of Blistersteel Rk. II on single mobs.

The admittedly quick results (just 50 casts each) I got were:

Rain of Scythes Rk. II averaged 117.6k damage per cast (on a single target) with a 4.0 second cast time(should mod to 2.0s with a RoF raid focus spell haste item) and that was without potion procs, and only T2 voa raid hat (magic focus). Or, about 58.8k dps for that spell.

Spear of Blistersteel Rk. II averaged 89.8k damage per cast with a 3.5s cast time (should mod to 1.8s with a RoF raid focus haste) and that was WITH tonic of heat affinity X buff and T4 raid arms (fire focus). Or, about 49.9k dps.

I do realize that Rain is 99 vs. Spear's 100 and the focus degradation there, but...

I did have Tonic of Res. Fire buff on (almost always do) which does not proc for Rain but does for Spear, so was wondering if anyone parsed Rain vs. Spear with Elemental tonic buff and RoF focuses.

I would also guess that with fire core or EU, since neither effects Rain, that they will change places, but really curious what exactly it takes for which to be higher dps.
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Re: NDA Lifted

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IMHO its not really necessary to compare the 2 of them, both will be getting used. And I would bet a fair amount of plat that while we are using a disc Spear will out-do Rains. So probably the only time it will matter (timing aside that is), is possible when we are out of our discs.

Our top 2 spells will remain the same, Garg requires time to build up and Salvo will be our best nuke spell. Now your down to a 2.0 sec cast time (rains) and a 1.8 sec cast time (Blistersteel). When I placed it after Spear, about every 2 weaves I had enough time to possibly fit in a Sands nuke (.8 sec). I did not test this as it would have messed up the parses above, but visualizing it, I had quite a bit of blank time.

So essentially it leaves us with which one will work best in a Burn. Now in Beta I had crits over 200k on RoF Spear, the Avg crit I normally see from Rains is around 50 to 55k. 3x50= 150k vs 200k. So I would imagine while any disc is going we will probably want Spear in slot 3, however parsing would be required to see that for sure.

There is also the roadblock of Rains, doing less per target as more mobs get in range. And if any mezzed mobs are in range of the main target, they will get woken up.
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Re: NDA Lifted

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My opinion of Mage Rains is they suck donkey ding dongs. Haven't bought or used one since Luclin and I really really hoped they would never be relevant again. I wouldn't mind seeing them fade away and forgotten like the old Mage DoTs....
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